Joseph Prince, false-grace and two key threats to revival

Listen to the final two threats to revival in my teaching series, Ten Threats to Revival. There’s a false-grace message that’s promoted by people like Joseph Prince that is threatening a move of God.

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The final two threats to revival that I address are:

  • Seeking an enhanced life
  • The lack of an immediate response

I’ll post the notes below so you can follow along, but I also wanted to share a couple portions from my book Covens in the Church.

Someone asked me about the call for an immediate response. What if we don’t feel that God is calling us to respond? Here’s my reply:

That’s a great question!

Here’s my response that includes what I wrote in my book that addresses this directly:

Most of the time, our response can’t be attached to our feelings. Basically, we’ll have to move contrary to feeling quite a bit.

We see in the Gideon story that God did release those who were feeling afraid… but, then, they disqualified themselves from participating in the mission.

The key story is Joshua. Under Moses, people didn’t respond to their authority rightly, so they didn’t enter the Promised Land and most of them died in the desert.

Under Joshua, there was precision and immediate response. Nobody stayed back. The call was troublesome and inconvenient, yet everybody was immediately responsive.

The most important first step is to answer the question of whether you are under the person’s authority or not. If someone regionally makes a call and I am legitimately not under their authority, then I can go to prayer and respond how God leads.

But, if I am under their authority, there’s no prayer necessary. I simply respond.

Here’s two sections from my book that deal directly with this:

As the leader of Revolution House of Prayer I have people who God has appointed as my authority. We call them overseers and they

are leaders of ministries and people with a mature walk with the Lord. Like the centurion, I am a man under authority.

Let’s say, for example, I, along with the leadership of Revolution, decide to hold a conference. We go through the tedious process of

securing guest speakers and figuring out how to administrate the event.

We spend thousands of dollars promoting the conference on TV, radio and in print. I am a key part of the process as well as the actual event.

I’ll be teaching in several of the workshops and facilitating the week of activities. A week before the conference I receive a phone call from

one of my overseers. He tells me he needs me to fly to Alabama to help a church work through a transition from one pastor to another. Their previous pastor just repented of indiscretion and resigned suddenly.

The problem? It’s during the same week as my conference. I would have a dilemma. Honestly, I don’t want to go to Alabama. In addition to the upcoming conference I have a wedding to officiate among other important tasks. My integrity and reputation, along with my own personal comfort would be at stake. What’s the correct approach to take?

  • Refuse to mention my disagreement with my overseer with anybody–including my wife. There is power of life and death in the tongue. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I’d have to allow God to break me and cause me to have a pure heart in this matter.
  • Put to death any of my own desires and prepare to surrender to the wishes of my overseer however inconvenient they may be.
  • Meet with my overseer and honestly share all of the concerns and issues at stake. Inform him that I’d prefer not to go and if he could find someone else, I’d really appreciate it.
  • Submit. After a healthy conversation, my overseer states that he appreciates my concerns but he still needs me to go. So, I go.

I don’t have to pray about my decision. I don’t have to talk with anybody else. I have no option according to God’s established government in my life. I fly to Alabama with a smile on my face. God’s authority has spoken.

The enemy has caused many to believe that we can’t experience freedom while being submitted. This is simply not true.

Freedom from authority is rebellion.

Freedom in the absence of authority is anarchy.

Freedom under authority is liberty.

The process of response to my leader described above not only must take place between a pastor and his overseers, but also between a youth pastor and his pastor. Also, between the ministers in the pews and their leaders. We’ll eventually see the city Church established once again and pastors will be submitting to apostles in their city. It’s a process that is quite foreign to most.

The 100% Church and the Call to Corporate Mission Advance

This issue of pastors becoming salesmen has forced the rapid growth of para-church ministries. Leaders of para-church ministries have a greater ability to call those people who have partnered with them on their mission field into a position of readiness and response.

The success of the mission is at a lesser risk as all hands are on deck and ready to go. Pastors don’t always have it as easy.

For example, a pastor may hear God tell him to gather his flock together and fast from all food for 3 days. In God’s government, there would be no resistance, complaining or negativity. 100% of the participants in the church, who had already made up their mind to be unified and ready to press ahead as warriors for God, would immediately embrace this God given mandate. All would fast. If someone had a concern with the directive, that’s OK. A good servant won’t simply ignore the plan of action, but will rather make the effort to talk to the leader. A good leader will certainly listen to their concerns with compassion.

Much dialogue can occur. However, at the end of the discussion, the two would be ‘agreed’–moving in the same direction. The events of 1988 in Baton Rouge changed that considerably.

Now, the process that poor pastor must go through when the need to call the troops to action is enough to cause him to resign!

  1. He studies endlessly in the Word so he can ‘cover all of his bases’. He is already preparing his heart for resistance–the resistance that was perpetuated back in 1988.
  2. Due to this certain impending resistance, he prays long and hard for God to help him cast vision and sell this strategy to the church by giving him ‘the words to say’.
  3. He shares his impression that God wants this three-day fast with his leadership team, hoping to gain support. He knows he’ll need it.
  4. He looks at the schedule to make sure he doesn’t offend anybody by scheduling the fast during a time when someone else has already planned his or her own event.
  5. He prays again asking God for more insight as to the purpose of the fast. He wants to make sure he has enough info so as to effectively sell this idea to the people.
  6. He stresses out when God doesn’t give further insight.
  7. He starts to guess how many will actually respond so he can devise a plan to effectively make sure those who don’t respond don’t feel alienated. After all, an affirmed and happy family is very important.
  8. He then shares how he ‘feels led’ that God ‘would like’ the church to fast. Those who also ‘feel led’ should sign up in the back as they leave.
  9. The same five or six people who show up for everything sign up and the rest of the sheet is left blank. It’s a monument of a failed mission.
  10. The next time God says something, the pastor will be even less zealous in sharing the dream.

Here are my notes from last night’s teaching:

  1. Threat 9. Seeking an Enhanced Life

1.       People generally want God to make their current lives better. They want an enhancement, an upgrade.

2.       However, the demands of revival include the willingness to embrace a fire that won’t warm your flesh—it will consume your flesh.

3.       I wonder if the church would listen to “prophetic words for 2013” if they included extreme surrender & death to self instead of benefits.

1.       We should certainly understand that the great and terrible day of the Lord is at near! We are living as in the days of Noah.

2.       “I Thess. 5:2,3 …the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them…”

1.       “Just as false prophets of old fraudulently forecast a bright future, in spite of the imminence of God's judgment (Jer.6:14, 8:11,14:13-14; Lam.2:14; Ezek. 13:10,16; Mic. 3:5) so they will again in future days just before the final Day of the Lord destruction.”

2.       Ezekiel 13:15-16 (ESV) 15 Thus will I spend my wrath upon the wall and upon those who have smeared it with whitewash, and I will say to you, The wall is no more, nor those who smeared it, 16 the prophets of Israel who prophesied concerning Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her, when there was no peace, declares the Lord GOD.

3.       Matthew 24:36-39 (ESV) 36  “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37  For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38  For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39  and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

3.       I was chatting with a pastor from Quebec… he said people call him the ‘death pastor’… because he is unrelenting in his call to die to self.

1.       What??!

2.       Somehow it’s a derogatory thing to call people to lay down their lives?

3.       Messages of personal benefit are rampant. Joseph Prince is teaching a very dangerous message.

1.       No confession, no repentance, no way to lose salvation.

4.       Evan Roberts called for people to gather—but not all people—only those who were willing to make a total surrender.

1.       Revival doesn’t enhance lives, it crushes them. If we attempt to advance with a semi-surrendered people, the fire simply will not fall.

2.       It’s not that blessing won’t come…but there are a lot of people who are looking for an enhancement to lives that are actually on agenda to be broken, not built up.

3.       We don’t want life as we know it to become better! We have to lay that life on the altar and trade it for the cross!

1.       It’s the same thing that was happening when the money changers were in the temple.

1.       They wanted a better life.

2.       It’s the same thing that happened at the triumphal entry.

3.       Matthew 21:8-9 (ESV) 8 Most of the crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!”

1.       Hosanna literally means: Save us now!

2.       They wanted an enhanced life!

3.       Jesus decided to answer their cry, but when they realized it wasn’t what they wanted, they turned on him!

4.       That spirit is in the church everywhere!

5.       Matthew 27:20-23 (ESV) 20 Now the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus. 21 The governor again said to them, “Which of the two do you want me to release for you?” And they said, “Barabbas.” 22 Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” 23 And he said, “Why, what evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Let him be crucified!”

5.       Since I’ve been in Detroit I’ve heard a lot about revival. It seems the whole region is crying out for it. However, this is where the root of the disturbance in my spirit exists.

1.       Most every time revival is mentioned, the intent of that desire is to experience some sort of breakthrough, blessing or restitution.

2.       It’s time we STOP crying out for God to revive the economy, for resolved issues, for racial tensions to subside, for a fixed city… and START crying out for God and God alone!

3.    God is jealous and he won’t allow Detroit to be satisfied by money, security or anything else until we are satisfied in Him and no one or nothing else!

4.    Jesus’ own disciples fell into the trap too… they focused on the enhancement instead of the mission!

1.    Acts 1:6-11 (ESV) 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8  But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

6.       DO NOT expect revival until we return to our first love and lay down our lives daily. It WILL NOT COME! In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if the situation in this region got dramatically worse. The choice is ours, however.

7.       It’s absolutely shocking to me that so much emphasis is placed on the pursuit of breakthrough yet the call to breakthrough into a pursuit of God falls on deaf ears.

8.       Will we only gather and pray if we have a hope of personal blessing?

1.       Where are all of the hungry people in Detroit? The stadiums should be filled with zealous, praying people every night of the week! Have the cares of life and entertainment so bewitched us that we have become convinced that being with God is not worth it?

9.    I propose starting a movement of encounter which only has one goal—to be fully satisfied in enjoying and responding to the Lover of our souls. Nothing else matters. If we all have to live in a cardboard box on the streets of Detroit to encounter God, so be it! Our goal is not financial! It’s not selfish! It’s to be with God! That is all!

  1. Threat 10. A Lack of Immediate Response

1.       We must develop a ‘drop everything ‘culture. An ‘all hands on deck’ culture.

1.       There will be regular calls to prayer, calls to action… monthly, weekly, that will require a ‘drop everything’ culture.

2.       My intercessors know this… if I send them an issue, depending on the severity, they drop everything… they get on a conference call… they pray.

3.       If we have fallen into the trap of seeking an enhanced life, we won’t respond to the inconvenient call!

1.       This is a major danger in the church today!

2.       We’ll say, I don’t see how my life will be enhanced by participating, so I will hold back.

3.       This is why we teach people in theLab to be alert… to always be on time… we don’t break for holidays… we don’t excuse people for vacations… it’s a drop everything culture of consecration.

4.       This model isn’t just for theLab!!!! This is the life of the Believer!!!!!

5.       Christmas morning at IHOP is just like any other day of the week! They stay on the wall… they don’t relax the mandate.

6.       Let me set you free from a Christian cop out.

1.       When called to action, don’t ever say, “I’ll pray about it”… unless you are truly going to invest some hard core prayer and then report back exactly what God said!

2.       To say that we’ll pray about it… and then do what we want to do instead of exactly what God said to do whether we pray or not… is taking the Lord’s name in vain!

1.       If we tell people that God said that we aren’t to do something when God never said that at all is taking his name in vain!

2.       Most things don’t require praying about… and we’re a praying church!

3.       In a drop everything culture where the prophetic calls are constant, if everybody just stopped everything to pray about whether they should respond or not nothing would ever be accomplished.

4.       Check out a couple passages in Joel:

2.       Joel 1:14 Consecrate a fast;
    call a solemn assembly.
Gather the elders
    and all the inhabitants of the land
to the house of the Lord your God,
    and cry out to the Lord.

3.       And in Joel 2:

1.       Joel 2:15-17 (ESV) 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion; consecrate a fast; call a solemn assembly; 16 gather the people. Consecrate the congregation; assemble the elders; gather the children, even nursing infants. Let the bridegroom leave his room, and the bride her chamber. 17 Between the vestibule and the altar let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep and say, “Spare your people, O LORD, and make not your heritage a reproach, a byword among the nations. Why should they say among the peoples, ‘Where is their God?’”

1.       The people are saying “Where is their God!!!!!!!!”

2.       Connecticut! Where was God!!!! Church!!!! Are we so asleep that we don’t see this?

3.       We have to gather!!!!! Be together!!! Be instant!!! Pray!!!! Always!!!!!!

4.       At 5pm every Sunday, be in the prayer room!!! Cry out to the Lord!!!

2.       We live in a day where there's Twitter, email, Facebook, video and more… in every house in the city!!! We have phones that are many times smarter than the computer that took a rocket to the moon!

3.       There is no excuse to not hear and respond to the prophetic decrees moment by moment!

4.       We must be alert and ready! Alarms are being sounded, yet are any hearing?

5.       The call a couple of years ago was for every church to gather at Fire in February. Few responded. The same thing with The Call. Few responded. The prophets are calling the church of Detroit to respond, and immediately!

4.       This is one reason why church schedules must be flexible.

5.       It’s also a reason why daily meetings are critical.

6.       When prophetic instruction is received, the entire region must know about it right away, and the people must respond.

1.       The Manitou way of doing things… continual data, continual response.

2.       Luke 9:59-62 (ESV) 59 To another he said, “Follow me.” But he said, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.” 60 And Jesus said to him, “Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” 61 Yet another said, “I will follow you, Lord, but let me first say farewell to those at my home.” 62 Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”

3.       We have to learn to do two things:

1.       Embrace key prophets in the region

2.       Stay tuned in, stay in your email, stay ready for an urgent message that just may require you respond in hours time!

7.       In Joshua 3, the instructions were clear, and everybody responded in unison.

1.       Consecrate yourselves today…for tomorrow!!!!

8.       There’s no way to fulfill this mighty mission if we are only together one day a week (actually 2 hours a week!).

1.       There’s way too much work to be done!

2.       As an example, Mike Bickle recently called an urgent meeting. Most of the departments at IHOP in Kansas City were immediately closed and the people all gathered together to receive an urgent prophetic message.

3.       In Detroit, we must promote extreme alertness and flexibility so we can respond moment by moment to the demands of regional revival.

4.       If we are mostly focused on our local, personal ventures, we’ll stay disconnected from the greater, regional mission. The response won’t be what is necessary and revival will most likely never come.

12 Comments

  1. Lino Fino on April 10, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Joseph Prince teaches the same Gospel that Paul preached, and  they accused him of the same thing that you are accussing Joseph.  Those who attack Joseph  Prince are not actually attacking him, they are attacking the Gospel  of Grace that Jesus died to give us.   You probably only heard one sermon or a fraction of a sermon and that is why you misunderstood him,  but you need to remember that there is a double curse to those who preach a different gospel than Paul preached and it is not the Gospel that Joseph Prince teaches.  Hear his Sermon 304 so you will realize you misunderstood Joseph.   Jesus loves you and has Grace for you too, but he will not back up your ministry if you are attacking a message that is centered on Jesus Chrjst and His finished work, which  is setting free so many people, starting with the old testament Christians.  I am one of them, out of hundreds of thousands..  Give him the opportunity of the doubt for your own sake and for those that you are going to mislead if you were wrong.



    • johnburton on April 10, 2013 at 11:47 am

      Lino Fino Thanks for writing. My heart is absolutely in favor of those who are serving Jesus, even when theologies differ on the non-absolutes of scripture. There is certainly room for disagreement. 
      However, there are certainly doctrinal issues that are absolutes–meaning, if we don’t hold to them, eternity is at risk. 
      False grace is a serious threat today. Any teaching that affirms someone’s position in Christ, when in fact they are not walking in obedience, is a serious matter. There are a lot of professing Christians who worship God, pay tithes, read their Bible, etc. who will be shocked to find themselves in Hell one day. This reality wrecks me.
      I’d encourage you to read my article 5 Marks of the False Grace Message here: http://www.johnburton.net/grace-message. I deal with key points of deception including the thought that our sins are forgiven past, present and future, which is a major point for those who teach this theology.



      • Lino Fino on April 11, 2013 at 11:24 am

        johnburton Lino Fino   Brother Burton,   Whatever caused you to say that Joseph Prince preaches false grace is simply a misunderstanding,  I have listened to 300 of his messages, after having decades of bible reading, and  even bible college,  and what his message did in me, nothing else did,… Now, to affirm that he walks in disobedience is  a little bit daring.   I am not coming against you,  I only advise you to listen to sermon 304   “Are you Listening the True  Gospel,”  he talks about those that come against him and the gospel that he preaches, like you.    Another good one is “Healing Flows when Grace is Exalted”   and he has thousands other sermons that are liberating and it is not only my word, there are thousands or hundreds of thousands people that will tell you the same.   But anyway,  what matters is that God loves his true gospel, and He is the one that will make the others fall to the ground, for the love to His sheep,  therefore, if it is Joseph’s  you do not have to attack him,  the Lord will not back him up, but if God backs him up,  you may be  coming against God.   Yours truely.



        • johnburton on April 11, 2013 at 11:30 am

          Lino Fino johnburton My heart is certainly not to attack a person… no way. I know God zealously loves him… I’m talking about a message that many are teaching today.
          Again, the reason I must deal with it is because it is literally resulting in professing Christians going to Hell. This is a very serious matter.
          To say we don’t have to confess sin is a doctrine that has eternal implications.



        • Lino Fino on April 11, 2013 at 11:33 am

          johnburton Lino Fino  ;you are actually sending Christians to hell brother,  when you prevent them from the true Gospel



        • johnburton on April 11, 2013 at 11:45 am

          Lino Fino johnburton Preaching repentance results in people going to Hell?



        • Lino Fino on April 11, 2013 at 12:01 pm

          johnburton Lino Fino  Joseph Prince teaches true repentance,  actually, people who listen to him are repenting all the time.  True confession of sins is to confess that our sins have been forgiven.  That is what the whole Gospel of Grace says..  There is only one instance of “confess your sins” in 1 John 1- a chapter that was not written to Christians.    In the next chapter,  then he talks to Christians,  and he tells them “your sins have been forgiven”   We’ve been taught not to build a doctrine in one verse, however the church has built one huge doctrine on one verse.  Paul did not even know it because he never talked about it.  Listen to Paul.



        • johnburton on April 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm

          Lino Fino johnburton If we continue in sin, there remains no sacrifice for sin. If we refuse to forgive, for example, we won’t be forgiven. There’s a teaching that says our sins have been forgiven past, present and future. That’s misleading.



        • graceisthegospel on June 11, 2013 at 9:30 am

          johnburton Lino Fino 
          I’d like to know which sins Jesus died for, past, present or future – just so I know and won’t be in danger of going to hell – I sure wouldn’t want to be shocked to find that I thought I was going to heaven and end up in the lake of fire



        • johnburton on June 11, 2013 at 9:45 am

          graceisthegospel johnburton Lino Fino You have to understand that salvation is not as simple as you are making it. Jesus did die for sins past, present and future…but, that in no way means that we are automatically responsive to that act of love. If salvation was as simple as you are making it, everybody in the world would be saved. That’s universalism.



        • Lino Fino on June 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm

          johnburton graceisthegospel Lino FinoJohn, it is actually that simple,that is why  is “fools proof,:even the fools will not wonder in itIssaiah 35:8,This highway of Holiness is not for the unclean,it is for those who have been washed by the blood of the lamb,those that are conscious of the valueof the blood of Jesus,and the perfection of his work, not of ther sins.  God does not want consciousness of sins it is in Heb. 10.Why do you pronounce unclean what he has made clean?.That highwayis for those who walk in God’s Ways,and if you’ve read thewords of the Resurrected Christ through the letters of Paul and the Apostles,you will know that God’s Ways are ways of Grace.You know Grace, otherwise you would not be slandering Pastor Prince.He doesn’t teach universalism,but I bet ya that you’ve never listened to a full sermon of his. He teaches the true gospel, you need to listen to what he teaches if God called you to look after the sheep.  Don’t rob the Grace from them.  This highway of Holiness is not for the self-righteous,it is not for those who are under the law,because those that want to be justified by the law have fallen from Grace(Gal. 5:4)It is not for the those who wash themselves with their own deeds.  Repent!  – Change your Mind!  Look what happened to Job,  all because of his self-righteousness



  2. brianshalom on May 27, 2013 at 10:51 am

    John Burton…… you too need this message. i can see you are spiritually dead, theology will kill you. How many lives have your message saved for all these years you have preached…uhhhhh. I am one of the people who have enjoyed my christian walk ever since i stared to hear the message of grace by Joseph Prince. This message has set us free from sin. If you say it makes us want to sin, then its just that u havent received and seem if its true. GBU bro. come and be part of grace revolution lollllll